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CrazyG

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Fuel economy and winter months
« on: October 11, 2011, 05:27:56 PM »

Just to make you all aware that from September to March, all fuel companies change
the chemical composition of the stuff we put in our tanks for the cold season.
This is to enable easier starting for both petrol and diesel.
However, the most noticeable change is to diesel fuel, where they also add an
'anti-freeze' to stop the fuel freezing, because in really cold conditions it can and
does freeze !
For those using an mpg calculator, more additives in your fuel means you obviously
get less of the go-go juice....and therefore a lower mpg than you have obtained at
other times of the year.
Conversely, cold fuel takes up less volume than warm/hot fuel (both diesel and petrol
expand when warm/hot), so you should effectively get more denser fuel into your tank
when you fill up, and should therefore get more mpg.  But, although we all wish
that this was the case, any such gain is usually minor for motor vehicles.
In addition, as the weather declines, one must not forget that there will be slower
crawling traffic, heaters will be on full blast, heated rear/front/mirrors turned on,
wipers used, and radios/stereos....all to keep us comfortable. However, all of these
impose a further drain on the mpg, using up more of the 'black gold' that we pay so
much more for in the UK than any other country in Europe.
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Re: Fuel economy and winter months
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 07:14:10 PM »

so how much anti freeze do these companies add,to every say every litre?I have never noticed any difference in mpg between sept and march however i do notice that my car runs much better during the colder damper winter months.
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Re: Fuel economy and winter months
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 07:28:11 PM »

I didn't know that G, but Nick the colder and denser air means your car will pull more fuel and hence run / feel quicker.
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Re: Fuel economy and winter months
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 09:47:07 PM »

I didn't know that G, but Nick the colder and denser air means your car will pull more fuel and hence run / feel quicker.

i know that denser air is better for performance but my car does not lose any MPG during the cooler times of the year,maybe the car just runs more efficiently with denser air.There is a lot of water found in Diesel which could freeze in fuel filter but my car engine ran sweet at -20c guess thats down to additives however the car didn't move far thanks to the chassis being lower than the surrounding snow.
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Re: Fuel economy and winter months
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 10:35:46 PM »

I do not know what the proportion of additives is...I just happened to be told by someone
'in the know'...'with connections'....so to speak.

But Mull is also correct...cold air is denser so performance does appear to be
better, and as our winters are 'damp and moist' we get a sort of mini 'water injection'
effect...which raises performance a wee miniscule fraction.
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