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Some ForTwo advice please
« on: October 15, 2011, 07:21:36 PM »

Just a bit of general advice please as I know some of you have or do run ForTwo's. My next door neighbour had his classic Mini stolen a while ago and yesterday the insurance company paid up.
He wants to spend about £2k on a ForTwo doesn't mind if its LHD, but what are the weak spots and what does he need to look for in general.

Cheers

Karl
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 07:25:43 PM »

Engine!

I wouldn't recommend an oldish 450 to anyone - but that's just my experience! My friend bought a 450 after he saw mine and I found a nice one for him.... It cost him a fortune - turbo, exhaust other engine bits :(

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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2011, 08:18:05 PM »

Thanks JJ I have just been scanning around and there isn't much out there. When did the 451 come out? There is an 04 car about 10 miles from me over budget but looks well lokked after.
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2011, 11:55:56 PM »

£2k won't buy much...apart from trouble and expense.....
And as JJ says...the engine is the weakest point on a 450.
The later 700cc engines (04 onwards) are far stronger and have a better exhaust
manifold that is less prone to cracking than the 600cc. And no...the manifolds are not
interchangable. If the manifold cracks you have to buy a turbo and manifold as a unit
as the manifolds were not available separately.

One of the most common failures is a valve burns out, and lots of unscrupulous folk
will sell or do you a re-con for around £1100 to £1500.  And the 'Con' from re-con
is about the operative word.  These characters will do a top end rebuild and replace
just the parts that are knackered..in other words a valve.  A lot of money to do just
a valve eh ? But here's where the 'con' comes in....the reason the valve burns out is
cos the pistons rings have become imobile or cracked. More oil then passes up by them
into the cylinder head, and as oil burns at a higher temperature it 'eats' the valve
head.  So 6 months or so later, the same problem returns.....thank you very much.
And any guarantee they give is not worth the paper it's written on as they'll have a
'get out' clause written into it anyway.
The only answer is a  complete rebuild using all new parts...pistons, bearings,
valves, filters, etc etc...built to within manufacturers tolerance. Oh and while apart
it is pointless not fitting a complete new clutch at the same time...so include that too.
Total cost including labour/fitting......circa £1900 - £2000.
To keep that in perespective..just a new engine from MB would set you back £3000+

So....if you think you have seen or found a good one for sale...get it checked over
thoroughly by a reliable 'indie'...

And finally...the way to make any of those engines 'last' is to have it serviced
regularly, and never drive off till the autochoke has cut out, never rev past 3k until
the engine has got up to operating temp (2 blobs on temp gauge).....and always,
but always....when you get within 5 miles of home, cut all speed and use as few revs
as possible, and finally when you pull up at home, let the engine tick over for a few
minutes.....that will allow the oil to 'soak up' the heat from the turbo therby saving
the engine and your wallet.
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 10:43:41 PM »

There is a £4000 rule on fortwo 450s.

If you buy one for £1000 it'll cost you £3000 to sort out over 3 years.
If you buy one for £2000 it'll cost you £2000 to sort out over 3 years.
If you buy one for £3000 it'll cost you £1000 to sort out over 3 years.
If you buy one for £4000 it'll cost you nothing* to sort out over 3 years.

Working on the premise that for that price the mileage is less than 20,000 and you won't put it over 60,000 miles in the 3 years.

Don't buy a 450 and don't recommend anyone else buys a 450 unless:
1 - you hate them
2 - they are keep mechanics
3 - buy the diesel engined version.
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 10:55:06 PM »


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Don't buy a 450 and don't recommend anyone else buys a 450 unless:
1 - you hate them
2 - they are keep mechanics
3 - buy the diesel engined version.

I agree with this. Old F2  is for SC or mechanics great business.
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 04:09:19 PM »

....Don't buy a 450 and don't recommend anyone else buys a 450 unless:
1 - you hate them
2 - they are keep mechanics
3 - buy the diesel engined version.

Ouch...that's a bit severe.....truthful perhaps...but still severe.
(I've had no problems with my 700cc Brabus 450 though)

And any words of wisdom re the Roadster Evil....
other than just 'Don't even go there' ?  LOL 
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 05:48:42 PM »

....Don't buy a 450 and don't recommend anyone else buys a 450 unless:
1 - you hate them
2 - they are keep mechanics
3 - buy the diesel engined version.

Ouch...that's a bit severe.....truthful perhaps...but still severe.
(I've had no problems with my 700cc Brabus 450 though)

And any words of wisdom re the Roadster Evil....
other than just 'Don't even go there' ?  LOL

One word "Brabus" - the Engine is no the same like standard F2. Rings and some else.
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Re: Some ForTwo advice please
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 07:32:25 PM »

Well thanks for the advice. To my amazement I got home tonight and he has a ForTwo on the drive.
It's the first one I have every been up close with and I was really impressed, not heard it running but he took your advice and bought a 700cc.

Hope it goes well for him.
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