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mr singh

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« on: May 11, 2012, 04:06:42 PM »

http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/secret-new-cars-coming-soon-1#image=12


looks nice but why are smart insisting on calling it the Fortwo-plus-two? its simple maths, its the ForFOUR
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 04:38:29 PM »

It doesn't look like Smart are insisting on anything to me. It looks like a motoring journalist's conjecture. The picture looks nice and would appeal to Fortwo enthusiasts who find they need more seats, but that design view has been seen many times before.
Whatever design a new Forfour gets it's got to be good to succeed in this hotly contested sector.
If the Forfour hadn't flopped I wonder what the facelifted versions in the last six years would have looked like.
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 06:44:15 PM »

If it looks like that I don't know if I would buy a newer one, unless it was a bit funkier in a different colour.  I wonder if it will actually happen in the end?

The Kia GT looked nice though.........
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 07:35:00 PM »

The ForFour didnt so much flop as MB priced it out of the market as it was too close
a 'competitior' to it's own A-Class, and they couldn't have that.

They should have priced it lower, which would have boosted demand and thereby
paid for itself in the long term, they should have pushed the rustless body panels,
the super strong Tridion saftey cell, the lightness of he car, and the brilliant fuel
consumption that it could achieve.

They missed out so much with the ForFour....
Rather than do what VW does...have a family of cars, so that if you don't buy a VW but
instead buy a SEAT, then they've still sold one of their group of cars. Unlike the lack of
group choice in MB.  And they'd rather not be associated with the name/brand of Smart
if the truth were but known.

I just hope the next generation ForFour is not a ForTwo+Two....
that will most certainly be the deathknell of Smarts if they do.
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2012, 11:24:39 PM »

Personaly ......I don't like it ,  it lacks the style and presence of " our " forfours .
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2012, 01:36:52 AM »

They missed out so much with the ForFour....
Rather than do what VW does...have a family of cars, so that if you don't buy a VW but
instead buy a SEAT, then they've still sold one of their group of cars. Unlike the lack of
group choice in MB.  And they'd rather not be associated with the name/brand of Smart
if the truth were but known.


I took my Forfour to a well known independent for the two year service. The founder member there said he left Smart because of the way the marque was being treated by Mercedes. He identified leaking rear shock absorbers and told me to book it in at Mercedes for replacements. When I got there I found two reception areas one big one for Mercedes and a small one in the corner for Smart.
Why did they feel the need to duplicate staff and separate the two areas.
To my way of thinking Mercedes shot themselves in the foot through internal struggles probably to do with snobbery. When I looked in the garage area where the mechanics were working I couldn't believe what I saw. It looked more like an operating theatre than a garage.
The Forfour should have been given the support that it deserved from Mercedes from the start, but sadly like the demise of the british motorcycle industry the bean crunchers and accountants have more sway than the design and engineering staff.
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2012, 11:13:42 AM »

They missed out so much with the ForFour....
Rather than do what VW does...have a family of cars, so that if you don't buy a VW but
instead buy a SEAT, then they've still sold one of their group of cars. Unlike the lack of
group choice in MB.  And they'd rather not be associated with the name/brand of Smart
if the truth were but known.


I took my Forfour to a well known independent for the two year service. The founder member there said he left Smart because of the way the marque was being treated by Mercedes. He identified leaking rear shock absorbers and told me to book it in at Mercedes for replacements. When I got there I found two reception areas one big one for Mercedes and a small one in the corner for Smart.
Why did they feel the need to duplicate staff and separate the two areas.
To my way of thinking Mercedes shot themselves in the foot through internal struggles probably to do with snobbery. When I looked in the garage area where the mechanics were working I couldn't believe what I saw. It looked more like an operating theatre than a garage.
The Forfour should have been given the support that it deserved from Mercedes from the start, but sadly like the demise of the british motorcycle industry the bean crunchers and accountants have more sway than the design and engineering staff.

Before BINIs became a standalone brand they were sold alongside BMWs but to one side, normally with the used BMWs. So what Mercedes were doing was right, they are a prestige brand selling a premium hatchback.

Personally Smart of Ipswich had a singular reception desk and service dept. smart was at the back of the showroom but was well treated. Their service dept. was great and treated everyone equally.

The trouble is no-one could see the point of a premium hatchback 8 years ago, now with the 500, BINI, Citigo, the upcoming Adam, etc. people now want an upmarket small car. Why buy a 'tin can' Panda (which does the job adequately) when you can pay over the odds for essentially the same running gear but with a 'cute' body?

Things have changed a lot and smart need to pull something spectacular out of the hat for the forfour replacement.

Anyhoos, you will soon be able to buy an SUV for £10k based on a Clio/Megane - the Dacia Duster or a Chinese Great Wall Stead 4x4 pick-up for £16k... we are slowly getting back budget brands like the Koreans and Japanese used to do (which now considered standard and no longer budget brands).
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 02:43:33 PM »

At merc Bristol I get seen by the merc reception, get assigned a merc service manager, my car gets seen to in the merc "surgery" and I get to use the merc free tea/coffee/coke/wifi and get the car valeted by the merc team. I get treated just as badly as the merc owners by incompetent staff ;)

Sales are separate as you would expect.

I'm not a fan of that Renault forfour mock up ;)

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Re: new forfour
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 04:22:23 PM »

1 word.....rancid
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2012, 07:44:08 PM »

i have to admit it is like marmite, but i carnt understand why they are insisting on calling it the fortwo-plus-two. it is a bit of a mouth full
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2012, 09:51:06 PM »

i have to admit it is like marmite, but i carnt understand why they are insisting on calling it the fortwo-plus-two. it is a bit of a mouth full

Because it is a two seater with two occasional seats in the aft. Like roadsters and coupes of old that were called 2+2.

That concept model will never happen, the smart brand will fail soon if they don't buck their ideas up again. The fortwo is no longer unique it has no real benefits over, say, a Panda Twin Air which is cheaper, tax exempt, has a boot and proper seating for 4. That's the competition now, granted its more the 500 than a Panda but hey thats the general idea.
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Re: new forfour
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2012, 06:22:54 AM »

Last time we went to Smart, we were told that hardly any garages actually order any vehicles any more, not many are made and they don't bother doing anything unless someone actually comes in to buy one... and if they want one, it's a wait.

Reliable source : Smart salesman who we knew well from buying merch and doing MOTs and servicing through. He was leaving the company because had enough and was moving to be a 24hr race mechanic full time.
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