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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2016, 09:42:24 PM »
pan roof is the best part of the car!!!

iv had 3 cars with panoramic roofs and wouldn't have a car without one now, it makes the car feel bigger than it actually is. the panoramic roof is fixed and doesnt open, if you have the sun roof option then it opens, but thats easily noticed by looking at the roof, the pan roof will be the same all over where the one with the sunroof will have 2 guide rails for the sliding mechanism. again the sunroof was an uncommon optional extra.
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2016, 11:41:36 PM »
My pennies worth....
The other way to recognise either a panaoramic roof v sliding/opening
roof is from the inside.  You'll be able to see out of the entire roof
in the panoramic.
Do note that the panoramic (as well as the sliding) have semi opaque
blinds that you can open/close manually...so if you don't like too
much light coming in, then keep them closed.

And as for your decision to fit cruise control....
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the only one that you should consider
fitting (it plugs in to the OBD2 port) is or was obtainable from
MDC (MisterDotCom) of Germany.
If anyone knows any better on this please do come forward and
speak your piece, ok.

Sound system upgrades are covered in the ICE section (child board)
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2016, 08:28:47 AM »
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Main plan is to give it a complete service of all consumables, install a cruise control unit and a improve the sound system, if required.  Not sure what the stock is like.

I looked into getting cruise control for my 454 but, as CrazyG says, the only company that made one was MDC. They are on a certain internet auction site but they are gearbox specific so if you do go for one, watch out for that. In the end, I ditched the idea, they are quite expensive and doesn't add to the experience of driving the car.

The sound system... mine originally came with a Radio 5 and the sound upgrade (the subwoofer + rear speakers) and its fine for my purposes, nice all around sound. I've since put in a COMAND sat-nav unit into mine.

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pan roof is the best part of the car!!!

Certainly is. Every car I've sat in the back of since has been akin to sitting in a cave. Up front, it doesn't make that much difference but yes, the rear passengers will appreciate it.

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So.  The price of the 1.1 is lower, has the MF steering wheel, cup holder (I have terrible MPC (miles per coffee) so that will get used a lot

Taking another look at the pictures of the 1.1 Pulse, it appears to have all around electric windows as well. The only thing it is missing is the dash pods, which aren't essential from one point of view (one of them is a clock) and relatively important from another (the other is a coolant temperature gauge) but retrofitting these isn't that big a deal, just fiddly.
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2016, 08:40:47 AM »
Is there a way to see from the piccies if it has the sound upgrade?

Just want to say thanks for your help all so far, really appreciate it. 
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2016, 08:51:54 AM »
The sound upgrade is not obvious and there isn't a good shot of the passenger seat but I can see what I think is the fascia for the subwoofer at the front undeneath the seat. Close up examination of it will be needed. If it is factory, a VIN number check will tell the specification.

Oh, and it has electric wing mirrors as well (which will be heated I think?) so yeah, goes to show someone specced up that Smart. ;)
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2016, 09:31:44 AM »
I believe that some insurers (but not all) ask to see the LPG conversion certificate, so check if this is with the paperwork if you look at the 1.1 LPG. Mine is insured with Swinton and they were fine about the LPG conversion and didn't want to see the certificate. Although it is only a 1.1, the car should still feel as if it has plenty of poke and be fun to drive. If the one you try feels down on power, it may be that the LPG has contributed to valve seat recession; if so, walk away. While the head can be removed and the valve seats done, it will cost and will only be worth doing if you are planning to keep it and do lots of miles. If the car is OK and you buy it, be aware that the valve clearances are due to be checked/adjusted at 60,000 miles and it is vital that you do this with an LPG car. Good luck!
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2016, 10:33:54 AM »
Ah I totally forgot about the valve clearances.  Is that a difficult job to do for a DIY mechanic?

I've never actually done anything like that, but have worked around the valves before, but it sounds interesting.  Cant think its to hard to do?
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2016, 11:06:41 AM »
Sorry I can't advise re adjusting the clearance's, but what
I will say to back up other members comment's about LPG is,
is that any conversion to LPG is usually more trouble than it's
worth....unless it was a factory fit, or fitted in Germany..
There the fitting standards and certification etc is far and beyond
those of the UK. LPG was was never a factory fit option.
I think that says it all really.

And I personally have seen 3 LPG converted 454's pass thru
S2smarts workshop....all with issues that could only be down
to the LPG. These could not be resolved as they're not LPG qualified.
All had previously been to LPG 'specialists'...and even they
couldn't fix them and said it wasn't an LPG problem !
2 had the stuff removed by 'specialists' eventually...at a cost,
and were more or less ok after that.
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2016, 12:26:24 PM »
I think you need a spring clamp for the valve springs, a way to accurately measure the valve clearance and then to order the appropiate thickness pills/shims to take up the difference.
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2016, 03:48:40 PM »
when you say your missus said the panoramic roof shouldn't even be a consideration was she meaning that of course it should have one or that getting one with one is bonkers??

if the latter then i'm afraid she is wrong  :P (not that i'd be brave enought to say that to any female)





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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2016, 04:55:35 PM »
To quote R.Kelly "My mind is telling me no, but my body, my body is telling me yes".

I mean seriously I do want the panoramic roof, I really do.  It looks great actually, especially in that top picture (are those pillows SMART branded?!?!) but my mind is saying the Pulse is so cheap, with such low miles, with the other extras and potentially in good nick so...I have to say no!

And yet will always wonder...what if....
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2016, 05:19:08 PM »
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are those pillows SMART branded?!?!

You mean the picture ProblemChild posted? I don't see any pillows though some 454's did come with them for the back seats. I don't think they were Smart branded with a logo but use the same material as the seats do. I would like a custom set for mine when the interior is re-trimmed.

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And yet will always wonder...what if....

I have seen panoramic roofs for sale before but to fit them requires more than just the roof as the internal trim around it is also different though I doubt they is actually that hard to get hold of - the roof itself is rarer because it is quite large, even in the 2 sections.

I'd still stick with your plan but go and see both first. If the roof really does make that much of a difference then you'll know.
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2016, 05:28:29 PM »
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2016, 08:21:46 PM »
It really is a buyers market. I'm gobsmacked these cars are so cheap.  It really doesn't make any sense, there's no documented known faults, they seem to last ages, have low tax and very economical.  I guess it just goes to show that marketing power really is everything.  But that is good news for us in the know.

Fingers crossed for tomorrow.  Thank you for mentioning the lever at the back, I'll look out for that. 
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Re: 1.1 or 1.3?
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2016, 09:05:56 PM »
the thing is if you were looking for a small hatch you'd go on autotrader and prob only search for makes you know - ford, vauxhall, kia, vw, etc

never would you search smart

its amazing how many members say they only bought one as they saw it on the forecourt and thought it looked good but didn't know what it was

its even more strange given the spec of the cars

good luck

don't jump if its not exactly what you want

by next weekend there will still be plenty of choice

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