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RKennedy

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« on: February 27, 2017, 03:01:43 PM »

So now I've had the service done, and a few other bits sorted, insurance has now been renewed and I'll be keeping the forfour for at least another year! :)

When I purchased the car it only had one key, and now I'm looking at getting a second. From what I've read on here that can now only be done at a main dealer. Does anybody have an up to date Total Price for supplying, recoding etc.

Thanks in advance!

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« Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 03:35:49 PM by RKennedy »
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 03:28:54 PM »

This is not true. A good independent, such as S2Smarts in Watford, can source + program keys though they do all need to be present when this happens (you can't just "tack" a key onto a car) and are likely to be cheaper than going to a main dealer to have this done. You may find the key itself will be more expensive than the coding process if done via a good independent... I don't know how much a key mind. ;)
« Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 03:33:32 PM by Ocracoke »
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 03:45:09 PM »

I think the confusion comes from the fact that you likely need TAN codes for such an operation, and those codes have to come from the dealer.
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Re: Keys
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 10:59:18 PM »

It's not just an MB/Smart dealer that can do this.
Last I was aware, any 'authorised' Smart independant has the
capability to do it...after they have ordered a spare key from MB.

My advice; as S2smarts would appear to be your 'local'/closest
authorised Smart 'indie'; would be to call Rob and ask any of
the questions you may have. 01932-771222
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 10:15:28 AM by CrazyG »
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 07:29:35 AM »

Okay I'll give it a go, thanks.

I did email a smart specialist in Guildford a while back, and I think it may have been them who said only a main dealer can do it now. I'll give S2smarts a go.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 08:34:49 AM »

Got a response from Rob @ S2smarts..

"Unfortunately, as much as we would like to supply, Smart will not sell keys
to anyone but the actual owner of the car now for security reasons. You will
need to contact your local Official Smart Dealership and they will tell you
what you will need to take in to them as proof so they can order one from
Germany for you."

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 10:09:50 AM »

Out of curiosity I also rang Rob (after you did), as I do
remember that at one time he was able to order spare
keys and code them in on 454 ForFour's (and 451's).

He told me that it is only in the last 3 years or so that
security has become a major issue with MB as 'undesirables'
were ordering keys for expensive MB cars and 'separating'
them from their rightful owners. Owners of these 'requistioned'
vehicles took MB to Court and it was deemded that MB had not
taken sufficient care or had a proper secure process in place
to stop this from happening. So now we know, ok.

MB now require quite extensive proof from people before they
will now order a replacement key. Not only will one have to
produce/provide documentary proof, they now; or so it appears;
want to see the actual car....to photo the VIN number and the
vehicle registration, as well as logbook, proof of your identity etc etc.
It is best that one asks MB direct for a 'list' of their requirements.

The other so far undisclosed issue is that even if you have 2 keys,
there is no distinguishng mark or marks to let one know which of
the 2 is the master. Yes there is a master, but it is only when the
key is in the ignition and connected to a Star machine that one can
then know which one it is.
If you only have 1 key and it is a master, then coding a replacement
is straightforward.
If the only key you have is the 'slave', then that has to be 'coded' via
the Star that it is now a master, and then that key can be used to code
any new/additional key as a slave.

As one can now see, this is not a straightforward  or simple process,
which is why the cost (according to Rob) for a replacement is now
in excess of £150.  I'd be inclinded to 'guesstimate' nearer £200.
(Maybe someone who goes down this path will let us/me know
 the actual cost, and I will then amend this post accordingly, ok)

Sounds a lot ?
Yes it is, but when one considers a replacement key for a Golf or
even a Punto used to be around £300+, then perhaps it isn't so bad.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 10:14:38 AM by CrazyG »
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2017, 10:25:26 AM »

I think it cost me about £250 altogether and three trips to the MB dealer in Cambridge (one so they could check my ID and the car's ID before they would order the key, then another so they could do the coding - and a third because they couldn't manage to do the coding the first time around). Good luck!
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